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Girls Just Want to Have — FREEDOM [ Part Two: The Interview ]

Last week I gave you my take on the ‘why’ that led Carrie and River into life as full-time RVers. This week I’m sharing just about everything from the nearly hour-long conversation we had. It’s a deep dive into all the big topics a future RVer thinks about, along with some challenges personal to River and Carrie.

We use Skype because I have software that works with it to record our call so I’m not distracted by trying to take perfect notes. Because fast, unlimited internet and RV travel do not usually go well together, we do an audio-only call. With only audio, though, I couldn’t always make out who was speaking. I’ve edited so that it’ll hopefully make sense, but in some instances the couple’s answers are combined into a single response.

I start by explaining to River and Carrie what ultimately pushed me to do these RV nomad profiles – a recently-published book depicting RVers as down-and-out people that society has failed. The author of that book had a negative bias, and I want to counter it by profiling people who’ve consciously chosen full-time nomadic life.

I think River and Carrie have checked out the blog and know what I’m about, but just in case I tell them some people would think Brian and I are freaks.

“We’re libertarian. Voluntaryist. Live and let live, you know?”

River says “Right on.” I smile at both her choice of words and the sentiment, and we dive in to the interview.

Please tell me your names and ages.

My name’s Carrie and I’m 29.

I’m River, and I’m 38.

Tell me about your rig, and any towed or towing vehicle you have.

We have a 1999 Rex Hall Rexair and she’s thirty six feet long and has two slides. Right now we don’t really have a toad because the one car that they make they can’t be towed with all four wheels on the ground is the one we have.

We have a four wheel drive Toyota RAV4. In order to pull it we would have to do something about the drive shaft. We just drive it behind. So normally the way it works is Carrie drives the rig and I follow her in the car with the three cats in their crates.

We have walkie talkies so I can help her navigate or change lanes. That actually works out really well for us because she’ll hold my spot. And it’s nice because we get to get away from each other.

When and how did you first hear about the idea of living nomadically in an RV full time?

We were talking about this earlier [when we reviewed your questions] and actually we didn’t hear about it per se as much as we just kind of like came up with the idea. Then we discovered that there was this whole subculture of people doing it.

We were just like “Why don’t we do this?” We started researching it and found out that [full-time RVers] are actually everywhere. So many people are doing it.

What was your initial reaction to the idea?

[Carrie] I think we both had had the idea earlier in our lives before we met each other. My whole life I wanted to like travel around to festivals and sell crafts or whatever. I just never really had a concrete idea of what it would look like.

[River] I was in the corporate world for 15 years and I just felt like I was wasting my life in a cubicle farm. So I decided that [with the] one life I did have I wanted to go out and see things and travel. If I had to work my way across, and that’s what it took, I would do it.

Why do you live this way? Is this different from the “why” you had in mind when you initially decided to pursue life as an RV nomad?

[Carrie] For me it was to be able to travel and to get out of the rat race of life and to live more sustainably and more consciously. I’m more conscious of my consumption and everything else that I do living in such a small vehicle. That was my “why” before and it still is my “why” now. I want to live.

[River] For me, I like the freedom. I wanted to be in nature more.

Where I lived in Texas for the last 15 years was very “corporate-y.” There are lots of high “to-dos” around the city where I lived. I knew that wasn’t who I was. It’s not my personality. I’m like, a damn hippie. So these kinds of people and I really didn’t mesh together.

I wanted to get away from that whole corporate culture and the “buy, buy, buy” material consumption [that comes along with it]. Just to get out in nature and go on a walk and we literally had to drive 20 minutes to a park. There was concrete everywhere. I couldn’t see trees for miles. It was so depressing.

I wanted to be out in nature more, and to see the country before I die. Also, the freedom of being able to do what I really wanted to do, without having to worry about getting back to a job.

When did you actually hit the road full time? How long between your decision to full-time RV and your launch?

We moved into the RV full time at the beginning of June. June 10th. We hit the road in the beginning or mid August. We were stationary for two months at the beginning.

We were camp hosts at a state park in North Texas before we hit the road. It was July of the year before [when we decided to go for it].

It was almost exactly a year. We were at a music festival, and a lot of people at the festival were living in their RV. We were really, really wanting to do it.

[Carrie] We had originally had a few year plan. But then I remember we were at my mom’s house visiting and I was like, “Why are we waiting? Why don’t we just do it now?”

Immediately when we got back home we started planning, and it took us a year afterwards to be moved in. We bought the RV in February, so July to February – however many months that was – was how long it took us to learn about what we were looking for. Man, it was a lot of learning.

[River] Yeah, it really was. We basically took a crash course on RVs. Not just RVs themselves but the lifestyle. The how-tos, and the how not tos. We just immersed ourselves in all of that information so we would know from the get-go what we were getting into.

[Carrie] We started out saying we were going to get like a hundred thousand dollar rig. Then we were like, we’re going to get a $70000 rig. Oh man – we were very naive in the beginning.

We couldn’t afford [those prices].

[River] We basically had to reality check ourselves. We were living in a one bedroom, one bath apartment. It was really nice. We had nice furniture and whatever, and I think subconsciously we were trying to take that same format into an RV.

So, you know, it had to have three two or three slides. It had to have a washer and dryer, and it had to have this and that. Basically we were trading one lifestyle for the same thing, but on wheels.

Once we really started researching RVs and the price of RVs, it wasn’t so much of a reality check financially but was more like “OK, well, the whole reason we’re doing this is so we can live simply.” If we’re just going to replace our house or apartment with the same thing but on wheels, what’s the point?

That’s when we really started downsizing all of our possessions. We wanted to get back to basics.

Some of the things we wanted [in an RV] were unnecessary. And honestly, RVs are super, super expensive, the kind that we wanted. We wanted one that was a class-A – that was drivable – because we had three cats and we wanted the cats to have enough room to be cats.

[Carrie] The first day we went and looked at RVs I remember we were like, “Yeah this is awesome!” Thinking back now I’m like, man we knew nothing!

What major challenges did you face when it came to actually making the transition, and how did you handle them?

[Carrie] The biggest challenge was money. Finding out that we wouldn’t be able to get financed for anything that we could actually afford because of the rules around RV financing. Also, our jobs. I thought I could take my job remotely and they ended up letting me go.

Or actually, I ended up quitting. But because they wouldn’t let me take it remotely. So I think those are our biggest challenges: realizing that we couldn’t afford what we thought we could.

[River] And figuring out how we were going to fund our travels.

[Carrie] I think mentally we did face some roadblocks when it came to purging our belongings. Some days I just couldn’t do it anymore. It was a little more emotional than I thought it was going to be.

Things I hadn’t looked at in years – I was going through them to get rid of them and then I realized that my keep pile was getting bigger than my get rid of pile. I’d have to stop for the day because it was just…it was like cleaning your room and finding something you forgot you had. You spend the whole day playing with it and then you’re like “Oh, I want to keep it!”

What has been the biggest adjustment you’ve had to make as a result of living nomadically?

[River] For me it was water consumption. I never realized how much water I used. Cleaning, showering, shaving my legs – just all of it. I never realized until we had this amount of space to fill up, and once it’s filled we’d have to drive to a dump station. So for me it was my consumption of water. And I know it sounds silly but that was a huge win for me.

[Carrie] She used to shower every day. Now it’s like –

[River] Once every couple days…or weeks. No, I’m kidding.

Also, I like a clean kitchen. I would use a lot of water to do dishes and just wipe down the counters and just water, water, water. Once I moved in this thing I was like “Wow – I can’t use that much water because our holding tank only holds so much.” The gray water tank is only so big.

When we were camp hosting we didn’t have sewer at our site. We had to drive up to the dump station at least every four or five days, and that was not fun at all.

We share a laugh about the irony of a person named River struggling to curb her water usage 🙂

How often do you travel, on average?

The day we spoke, River and Carrie had been parked for about a month after two months of camp hosting in north Texas. They were getting RV repairs done and visiting River’s family.

[Carrie] We’re in south Louisiana right now. We’ve been here almost a month and now we’re ready to go.

[River] I was ready to go a couple of days after being here.

[Carrie] We want to travel probably every week unless we find somewhere that we really like. We’d be open to spending a few weeks to a month there. But we’re trying to get out west.

[River] It’s pretty frustrating having to be stuck in one place and, for me, even more frustrating that it’s my hometown. Hopefully we’ll be out of here soon, though.

Tell me about a place that’s amazing, and why. Have you visited, or is it on your bucket list?

[Carrie] I really want to go just everywhere. I’m really excited to check out Quartzsite. I want to go to Slab City. I don’t know that I’ll love it, but I think that it sounds really awesome. I’ve been wanting to go to Slab City forever.

[River] Yeah it will be an experience definitely.

I want to go up to the Pacific northwest, up near Seattle and Oregon. I’ve been to Seattle a few times via airplane and I just love it there. So I’m excited to drive the RV up there and actually be in the woods and have that experience because it’s so gorgeous.

Do you boondock at all? If not, would you like to do it or would you prefer to avoid it?

[Carrie] I think that we will primarily boondock once we get out where there’s more BLM land. One of our repairs that we’re getting is actually having our generator fixed. As soon as that’s done I think we’ll try to boondock as much as possible.

[River] We just got a composting toilet and it’s sitting here waiting to be installed. It’s like the coffee table right now. I mean, it’s brand new out of the box so –

[Carrie] We’re super excited about it because it’ll really give us more freedom with our grey water dumping. Right now that’s like every three days, if we’re doing dishes every time we eat.

I ask about solar, since that makes boondocking so much easier.

[Carrie] We have solar plans and dreams. But so far we don’t have solar yet. That’s the next big thing we want to get.

[River] I want to be totally off grid. Now that our generator is getting fixed I hope we can do more boondocking away from society.

We all laugh at that. Brian and I can’t wait to boondock, and River’s “away from society” remark sounds like something he’d say.

[Carrie] Campgrounds aren’t really our jam.

[River] We’re kind of introverted, and we – well, I can’t speak for Carrie, but for myself I find that a lot of people are not very genuine. And I think people suck sometimes.

Another round of laughter, because I have heard these very words after Brian’s had a long day dealing with people at his shop.

If you had to name the single best aspect of RV life, what one thing comes out on top?

“That would be freedom…” Carrie says, and before she can finish the sentence River chimes in with “Freedom.”

“…for both of us,” Carrie adds.

“Definitely,” says River.

Can you see why I’m a fan?

What has been the most difficult thing you have had to deal with since moving into RV life?

[Carrie] For me I think it’s being comfortable with being uncomfortable. Tripping over each other. Little things breaking.

[River] Or big things breaking.

[Carrie] Or, sketchy campgrounds. But the biggest thing I think would be being comfortable with being uncomfortable. It’s not always uncomfortable, but a lot…lately.

[River] It just seems that when something bad happens a lot of other bad things tend to follow. Right now we’re riding the last wave of that, that bad thing coming our way. We’re so close to having the repairs done.

Right now we can’t lower our jacks, so we can’t extend our slide rooms. We’ve been pretty cramped in here, so that doesn’t help. It’s been about two and a half weeks.

[Carrie] Our [hydraulic jack] control panel fried and they had to order parts. Then they got mixed up and they had to order more parts. So now we’re just here waiting on parts to come in.

[River] We can’t get to parts of our bedroom because [with] the slide in the bedroom, the bed comes all the way in. So you can’t walk around the bed.

[Carrie] And that’s why our toilet’s not installed. It’s really hard for them to get parts out here. There’s nobody out here in south Louisiana that can work on RVs for some reason.

[River] The reason we came here was so we could install the toilet and finally get trim on the floors. We laid vinyl planks but didn’t get a chance to finish [the trim] before we moved in in June.

So, the plan was to come here and install the toilet and get the trim and a few other things done. And joke’s on us because we get here and park, and we can’t open the slides. In order to do all the things we need to do, the rooms need to be extended.

Did/do you ever have to explain your decision to live nomadically and/or in an RV to someone who wasn’t familiar with it as a lifestyle choice? If so, what do you say?

[River] The first person that pops into my mind is my mother. My mom does not understand it at all. She keeps referring to the RV as a trailer. I’m just like, “Mom, it’s a motorhome. It’s an RV. You know, our house has wheels!”

She doesn’t understand why I would leave my job. I was a financial analyst at a Fortune 500 banking institution on the mortgage side, for the last 10 years.

I worked in the accounting department and I’m sitting here talking to you with purple hair. I’m not an accountant type.

Every single day that I’d go into that office was very soul sucking, very depressing and gave me anxiety. It was not good for my mental health at all. It was getting really bad. I tried to explain that to my mother and she just she doesn’t understand. She’s like “You were so successful. You had everything!”

To me, that doesn’t matter. Money doesn’t matter. What matters to me is that I want to go live my life while I’m still young enough to live it. She doesn’t get that.

[Carrie] She always wants us to park the RV somewhere and come stay the night. We’re like “No, the point of having our house here is to stay in it.”

[River] When we visit her she’ll say “Are you guys spending the night?” No! We have three cats in the RV. We’re not going to leave them!

I suggest that her mom’s perspective sounds like a cultural or a generational thing. She thinks and says you were so successful, but her marks of success are are all those things that people told us would always be true. And they’re falling away, one by one.

[River] It’s funny that you say cultural and generational because it’s both. My mom was born in Guadalajara, Mexico. So it’s definitely a cultural thing and definitely a generational thing. She just you doesn’t quite get it. The “Un-American Dream.”

[Carrie] I think my mom’s like that too, but she’s not as severe. She just doesn’t understand it. She’s like, “Well, what are you doing after that?” And I’m like, “We’re going to travel somewhere else.” And she’s like, “And what about after that.”

“Then we’re going to go somewhere else,” Carrie says.

[River] We don’t even know what we’re doing tomorrow, much less a year from now.

[Carrie] It’s just hard to explain to people like our parents. Some people are like, “Why would you want to do that?”

[River] My response to that is why wouldn’t you want to do that?

[Carrie] I don’t know if people have the perception you were talking about in that book that you read.

We took my cat to the vet a couple of weeks ago, and we were trying to explain to them that we have an address in Texas, but we don’t really live anywhere, and we don’t know where we’re going to be next.

The vet didn’t get it at first. Once they realized that we weren’t just living in an RV just because that’s all we could afford, that we were traveling, they thought it was really cool.

[River] Once you get past that stigma, people will just go, “Oh I love your life. I love following you on Facebook I love seeing what you guys are up to. I wish I could do it.” And I’m thinking well why can’t you do it?

[Carrie] There’s always excuses though. We’ve told a couple of people to just do it. But you’ve got to get to that point on your own.

[River] [Living full-time in an RV requires] a mindset. A mindset that you have to not only adopt, but adapt to.

Take my mom, as an example. People equate money with success, and that’s the thing; success is defined in a lot of different ways.

Success to me is being able to go hike up a mountain and swim in a river any day of the week. Not on a weekend or not on a long weekend. To me success is being able to just enjoy being alive. But success to other people is “Well, what are you going to do for work. How are you going to pay for this? How are you going to pay for that?”

It’s hard to get people to have that mindset, to understand what we’re doing.

How did your friends and family react when you told them you were moving into an RV and traveling full time? Has their perception or support shifted at all?

[Carrie] We’re making a stop here to visit River’s family. And then after this we’ll go to Kansas to see my family. Then who knows when will I ever see them again. We’re trying to like make all our stops before we head out west forever. Or for the foreseeable future.

Our families have been bugging us forever to come see them.

[River] That’s another thing – a little side note I’ll tell you: Whenever you’re a full-time RVer, friends and family you haven’t heard of or from in a long time will be like, “Oh, when are you going to come see me?”

People think just because our house has wheels we can just drive to wherever they are and visit them and it doesn’t work that way.

“When you send a gas gift card,” I suggest. Exactly, River says.

[River] That’s what I said. “When yo’ ass start paying fo’ gas,” she says, laughing.

People just out of the blue say, “When are you going to come see me?” It’s like, no, dude –

[Carrie] They get offended when you say, “Well, I’ve got, you know, a life that I have planned out…”

We didn’t get an RV to just go visit people we haven’t seen since high school. We got an RV to go live life in a way that we’ve never experienced before. Or just to experience life in general.

I don’t mind visiting people if I’m in the same area, but I don’t want to make a 900-mile road trip just to do it. Unless of course someone’s sick, like family.

That probably makes me sound like an asshole.

I don’t think so. But if it does, she’s in good company. I think it’s time to live life and make exceptions only where it really matters.

In what ways has living in an RV affected your relationship?

[Carrie] I think we bicker a lot more, but our bickering is a lot more short-lived than before. Before we could argue and then be irritated with each other for a few hours. Now we just argue about something, then somebody cracks a joke and it’s over. We have to live with each other in 200 square feet.

[River] I think with any relationship it’s just a choice. You either choose to be together or you don’t. And everything else in between is just things that either need to be worked on or are just small potatoes.

[Carrie] Like tripping over each other. I’m really messy and it drives her crazy. That’s amplified in a smaller space.

[River] I’m super clean, hence the whole water issue. For me personally I had to let go of a lot of my OCD – I hate to use that term because it’s not diagnosed – but I always had a very clean and tidy mindset, and the apartment was always nice. I told myself that I would have the RV the same way but it just it gets way out of hand, way too fast.

I just let it go to the point where I look around and I’ll just start getting anxiety. And then I’ll snap at Carrie and then it escalates. Then within five minutes we’re laughing at something.

[Carrie] It’s like Tetris in here.

[River] Especially right now, because we can’t move around because of the slides.

[Carrie] We get on each others nerves a little more, but it’s nothing super detrimental.

[River] We’re both introverts, so we both enjoy our alone time. It’s kind of hard to have alone time when you live in an RV with someone.

[Carrie] I don’t think we’ve spent an hour away from each other since June.

[River] Well, driving here. But we still had walkie talkies.

I find this dynamic instructive as it hits potentially close to home; I can related to River’s OCD tendencies, and I confess that I’ve thought about how much easier it would be to control such a small space.

[River] That was my exact thought. “Oh sure, no problem – it’ll take me 10 minutes to sweep and mop.” No, it doesn’t work that way at all. Not even a little bit.

Where were you living before your launch?

[River] We lived in Plano. Before we moved into the RV it must’ve been about a year and a half. Carrie was living in Tulsa but I had been in Plano, Texas since 2001. Right after 9/11. It’s a mecca of consumption where I lived.

They just built a new Toyota headquarters in Plano, they’re opening a new Capital One corporate building, and it’s just a slew of corporate buildings. It was so depressing seeing all the greenery go away and buildings come up. It got to be way too crowded. We did live in a little hip area that had restaurants and bars and shops.

Why didn’t you choose to stay where you were?

[River] I was a part of [Plano], but that caused me a lot of self-doubt and depression. Deep down inside I knew I didn’t belong there, but I didn’t see any other way out because I didn’t have the mindset of “Well, really, I could just earn money online.” I wasn’t quite there yet.

My big thing was stability – being able to sustain the bills I already had. Responsibility. Deep down I knew that I didn’t belong there.

I’m a drummer. I’m a musician. I paint. I take photographs. I didn’t really belong there and I was just trying to find a way out.

[Carrie] Man, I hated that place. I moved there because we met online. I moved in with [River]. Then I got a corporate job. I liked it for like, a month. Then I hated it. That’s when we were really doing our RV dream thing. I quit my job because I was trying all these online business models. I could I not wait to get out.

Did the economy and finances play a part in your decision to full-time RV?

No. Not at all.

How many months worth of expenses did you have in reserve when you launched? Was it enough?

We didn’t have anything saved up. That was originally the plan. But we just did it in blind faith that we would be able to generate income.

Before transitioning to full-time RV life, how did you support yourself (and any dependents)? Has that changed at all? If so, how?

We talked a lot about River’s corporate accounting department job above, so we didn’t cover it here.

[Carrie] I went between a couple of service industry jobs (which is what I used to do). Then I found myself in a corporate job also, because of the area. I was working in real estate.

Right now I am generating affiliate sales online. Hopefully we’ll be doing some course creation.

River had a small severance when she was laid off from her job, which worked out. She was laid off right after we moved into the RV. That really helped us to be able to just get on the road.

We’re not millionaires. Maybe one day. But we get by.

Perception of nomadic RV living as a lifestyle choice is changing rapidly. As evidenced by the recently released “Nomadland” book, however, there are still people who look on full-time RVers with pity. They believe either society has failed full-timers (the book’s sentiment), or that full-timers are societal misfits. Has society failed you? If so, how? Do you see yourself as a misfit?

[Carrie] That’s a difficult question for me to answer because I don’t think I ever really cared too much about society to begin with.

[River] Honestly I think the whole “be born, go to school, get a job, get married” – that whole [thing] is bullshit in my eyes.

[Carrie] We don’t subscribe to that really so I guess we might fit into the misfit category.

Thinking about other full-time RVers you’ve met so far, give me your best estimate of how many actively chose to pursue full-time RVing as opposed to it being a solution of last resort.

[Carrie] We haven’t met anyone personally that’s doing it out of necessity. There are a few people in this park that we’re in right now that look like they probably live here out of necessity but we haven’t talked to anyone who didn’t choose this because they wanted it.

[River] I don’t want to make assumptions about people, but you can kind of tell the people who have planted roots in campgrounds and those who are actually traveling. I’ve spoken to a few in passing in the laundry room or whatever, but we haven’t really met a lot of full timers in person.

[Carrie] I mean online I know I’ve talked to a couple of people on line in the millennium generation that all said that they’ve chosen to live in their RVs to pay off student loans, and so that they can finish going to school because it’s cheaper rent. But I haven’t met them in person.

If a person was seriously considering full-time RVing for economic reasons, what advice would you give them?

[River] Run the other way!

[Carrie] No – I’d honestly tell them to go for it if they had if they had a rig or a trailer that they could afford. Once you buy it you own it, and you’re not paying rent for something that you’re never going to own.

Campground fees might be expensive. But if they really thought that they could afford it better than a house I would be all about it.

[River] I’m kidding about running. I just say that right now. I’m bitter because of our [maintenance] issues. But I would tell them to go for it. If that’s what they really, truly wanted to do then who am I to tell someone not to?

[Carrie] It can be a lot more affordable, especially if they’re boondocking – if they have the ability to boondock.

A lot of things go into that [decision to full-time RV]. I’d have to know whether or not they plan on making money from the road, or staying at their job. I would totally do it if I was in that situation.

Have you ever workamped? If so, please share your opinion on workamping. If not, would you workamp? Why or why not?

[Carrie] We will workamp to offset costs. We haven’t since Texas, but we certainly will.

[River] I could go another day without ever doing that again, to be honest.

[Carrie] I would like to not be cleaning bathroom stalls. That was our gig in Texas. There’s just so much out there. I want to do lighthouse hosting. I think that would be pretty awesome.

How do you handle health care expenses?

We, ah – we don’t really know yet. We haven’t figured that out, to be honest. Counting on the universe to work that one out for us.

We’ve definitely talked about going to Mexico to go to the dentist. All of the RVing people do.

[River] I had health insurance with my employer. That will run out in November. After that I don’t really know. I know it’s something we need to look into, but that’s not something that’s been on our mind as of late.

[Carrie] Until an emergency happens. But we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Describe what real freedom is to you (i.e., not patriotism but what it takes for you to be and feel free in your life).

[Carrie] For me freedom means freedom to be my own boss and the freedom to do what I want, when I want, to go where I want, when I want. Freedom to make my own money and make my own choices.

[River] For me it would be the freedom to never have to look at an Excel spreadsheet ever again.

[Carrie] Hey, I’m going to need you to do that.

[River] I will – I’m just kidding.

Freedom to me, for as long as I was in the corporate world, freedom to me is not having to request vacation time. Not having to worry about driving one day, then driving back the next – having an actual three-day vacation.

It’s not being on someone else’s time. It’s being on my own time.

Yesterday we’re sitting here and Carrie turns to me and says “Hey let’s go to the beach.” I said OK. So we close our laptops, we got in the car and went to the beach. On a Thursday.

To me that’s the kind of freedom that I want. Also, during the day, during the week, it’s a lot more quiet in the world. On the weekends everyone’s out doing the weekend thing. In the evening, everyone is out.

I really value silence and quiet. So the less people in public when we go out, the better.

So to me that’s what freedom is: Being able to do what I want, when I want. Not having to ask permission to use my own vacation time.

What question didn’t I ask that I should have?

You didn’t ask about the whole LGBT thing.

I tell them that it’s a thing, but not THE thing. Hence my questions digging into their ‘WHY’ and some of their ‘HOW’ – the same questions I plan to ask everyone. Nothing about Pride parades or rainbows. But this “what didn’t I ask” is an opportunity to talk about whatever seems important.

[River] I thought about both sides of the coin. To point it out would be like saying “Different! They’re different!”

But at the same time we’ve come across a few people in campgrounds that don’t quite understand our dynamic. When they do, you can tell they’re not too friendly about it.

It may just be where we’ve been, in the Deep South.

[Carrie] We’ve been kind of freaked out a couple of times. We try not to act like a couple when people are around, because you never know what they are thinking.

Where can I send people who want to connect with you?

You can find our website and blog at We’re also on Facebook and Instagram. In addition to our Facebook page we run a Facebook group called The Road to Freedom, where we talk about different ways to make money from the road, and the skills and tools needed to do that.

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